How popular are the .net.au domain names

[findtim]

I sold a net.au for over $3k a few years back, but it did have some good content on it.

I don't bother with them now, although I did hand reg tradie.net.au today after it went through the drops without a bid.

scab labour

tim

 

[xwdomains]

I sold a net.au for over $3k a few years back, but it did have some good content on it.

I don't bother with them now, although I did hand reg tradie.net.au today after it went through the drops without a bid.

yep almost hand regged that one to but decided not to as I am letting most of my nets go

 

[auAppraisals]

ORRRRR because so many .net.au's have been sold for already taken domains auda says "well you both will have to bid"

Okay...I know this thread has pretty much run its course, but I was thinking about what you said whilst walking my dog this morning.

If you are indeed right, and auDA is just trying to cash in before collapsing the whole space into .au domains, isn't it worth registering a few net.au domains (for free) just to be given the opportunity to bid? There could be some very lucrative 'back room' deals available prior to the .au auction.

 

[findtim]

If you are indeed right, and auDA is just trying to cash in before collapsing the whole space into .au domains, isn't it worth registering a few net.au domains (for free) just to be given the opportunity to bid? There could be some very lucrative 'back room' deals available prior to the .au auction.

i'm more about the moral issues associated with it, i have competitors who haven't registered their .net.au's but i'm not going to do that to them. i did it once in my early days and then felt so bad i rang them up and gave it to them and said if you don't want it and you didn't realise it dropped ( as it was a drop )that i would just let it drop which will be @ xx/xx/xx date.
(this was pre the discussion on .au started)

they took up my offer to hand it over.

thus, buying up .net.au's for that purpose will just tarnish our industry, i would consider that stealing if you won and just bad karma if you pushed the price up at an auction for the .au, either way you loose in my books.

tim

 

[auAppraisals]

thus, buying up .net.au's for that purpose will just tarnish our industry, i would consider that stealing if you won and just bad karma if you pushed the price up at an auction for the .au, either way you loose in my books.

tim

Thanks, tim, but are you saying you research all the domain names you intend purchasing to make sure you don't step on anyone's toes?

I'm not a domainer - I have bought maybe 2 or 3 domains with the intention of selling them at a later date and let probably thousands of dollars worth of domains drop (in the early days) due to my failure to manage them properly. But I thought the whole point of the domain aftermarket was identifying opportunities to buy domains to sell for profit?

I understand that there are cases that are borderline immoral, as you describe, but I wouldn't consider registering a net.au with the equivalent com.au just parked for advertising revenue to be the same thing.

 

[helloworld]

What. Is there any evidence that this might happen auappraisals re: collapsing all into .au ??

 

[nt81]

Nil

 

[auAppraisals]

I haven't seen anything, but I did some digging around and found this in which it says (paragraph 5. INTRODUCTION OF NEW SECOND LEVEL DOMAINS IN .AU)

INTA maintains its recommendation against expansion of the 2LD .au namespace for the reasons set forth in our comments submitted during the first public consultation
process...However, if auDA proceeds with the namespace expansion

Suggesting that an expansion has been on the table at some point, but that could be in any form, e.g. nsw.au, vic.au, etc, and not opened completely. Unfortunately, there is no date on this document and the link that's provided is no longer available on the auDA website.

Of course, this could have been years ago!

 

[CyberClick]

We've added 1/2 dozen with the current promotion. We wouldn't have reg'd them at $20 ea.

The promotion acknowledges the .net.au is less valuable than the .com.au and it will be interesting to see what Auda does after the promotion. IMO they should consider a permanent standard price of around 1/2 that charged for a .com.au. This will bring in more $$$ but also stimulate the .net.au market and put more .net.au websites online.

From a consumer perspective; hats off to Auda on this one for trying something new.

 

[nt81]

^^ Best post in this thread so far.

 

[findtim]

We've added 1/2 dozen with the current promotion. We wouldn't have reg'd them at $20 ea.

The promotion acknowledges the .net.au is less valuable than the .com.au and it will be interesting to see what Auda does after the promotion. IMO they should consider a permanent standard price of around 1/2 that charged for a .com.au. This will bring in more $$$ but also stimulate the .net.au market and put more .net.au websites online.

From a consumer perspective; hats off to Auda on this one for trying something new.

cyberclick posted, nt81 agreed, I disagree

the market has spoken, just get rid of .net.au altogether is my opinion, stop selling it would be best.

dubbodentist.com.au, dubbodentist.net.au ! its wasting businesses money.

1st: the dubbodentist ( DD ) owns both........ WHY should they have to?
2nd: DD owns the com and his competitor owns the net CONFUSION !
3rd: the DD's fight for brand recognition...... STUPID

as I have said, someone had an idea about .net.au and they got it WRONG, the market has spoken so WHY continue the PAIN, auda have a MESS in .net.au and selling $1 .net.au's is just going to add " water to oil whilst on a gas stove " IMO

I have seen NO disclosures on any sites that say " but in 2 years time its going to cost you $24 " , if there are disclaimers then its very small print.

it is a bad bad bad bad promotion

tim

 

[findtim]

Thanks, tim, but are you saying you research all the domain names you intend purchasing to make sure you don't step on anyone's toes?

I'm not a domainer - I have bought maybe 2 or 3 domains with the intention of selling them at a later date and let probably thousands of dollars worth of domains drop (in the early days) due to my failure to manage them properly. But I thought the whole point of the domain aftermarket was identifying opportunities to buy domains to sell for profit?

I understand that there are cases that are borderline immoral, as you describe, but I wouldn't consider registering a net.au with the equivalent com.au just parked for advertising revenue to be the same thing.

sorry for the delay in reply.

the answer is YES, I have to feel right about every domain I buy, I may get it wrong, maybe miss something but I haven't very many times in my ONLY 2 years doing this. I share, I phone call, I ask advice, I get email responses to my questions from people far more knowledgeable then me , I give back when I can, I try to communicate as best I can, I do extra research that I can't disclose here because its my technique and it would be like handing a gun to a 5 yr old, Due diligence as best you can.

I'm not a domainer either, I'm a buyer / dev person, I'm not the person to ask about buy/sell for a PURE domain name, I buy-build-money

your last paragraph, hmmm, I still stand by my statements, that owner may still be working on a business plan for it and we can not tar everyone with the same brush.

tim

 

[CyberClick]

dubbodentist.com.au, dubbodentist.net.au ! its wasting businesses money.

1st: the dubbodentist ( DD ) owns both........ WHY should they have to?
2nd: DD owns the com and his competitor owns the net CONFUSION !
3rd: the DD's fight for brand recognition...... STUPID

[/QUOTE]

'Dubbo Dentist' isn't a defensible brand so fighting for brand recognition would be a waste of everyone's time and money. If you have a real brand, then protect it with a trademark and don't reg the .net.au. Every dentist in Dubbo has the right to use 'dubbo dentist', I can't see any ownership there.

If you think the .net.au is worthless then why would you care if someone else 'wastes' their money on it? Probably because a good website on a .net.au can still kick the crikey out of a bad website on a .com.au. If you want to stop other people using it - stump up the $20.

I have quite a few generic .net.au's where the owner of the .com.au has a parking page or no website at all. Should I be stopped dev'ing a keyword domain because the .com.au doesn't think it's worth a lobster? Of course not.

Is dubbodentist.NET.au available?

 

[nt81]

It's great to use a specific geographic tied domain to try to win the debate, but just remember that

pets.com.au and pets.net.au don't have to be the same business, and would rightly have some competition if owned by different entities.

Take the Geo domain blinders off, and think generically

 

[snoopy]

Personally I think if someone has a site or a .com or .com.au they are better off having someone else develop the .net or .net.au (i.e. don't register it, let someone else get it). No reason to "protect" something when the alternative is people arriving at your site looking for someone else's.

 

[findtim]

of course dubbodentist is available

If you think the .net.au is worthless then why would you care if someone else 'wastes' their money on it?

i don't care, what i care for is businesses thinking "its just $1 " without knowing it will be higher in 2 years time.

also my answer to a different question

buying up .net.au's for that purpose will just tarnish our industry,

the 2 issues combined i don't like.

removing the GEO does change the reasoning as you talk a new level of SEO to get your brand out there, but dubbodentist, bendigodentist, berwickdentist etc all have this problem.

then we throw in the potential of dropping the .com from .com.au

its like 2 blocks of land on a hill overlooking the ocean, one in front of the other owned by the same person, they sell you the top block of land and tell you about the great ocean view then build a highrise in front of you...... no view

tim

 

[CyberClick]

Personally I think if someone has a site or a .com or .com.au they are better off having someone else develop the .net or .net.au (i.e. don't register it, let someone else get it). No reason to "protect" something when the alternative is people arriving at your site looking for someone else's.

Agree in part Snoopy but it all depends on the business model and who your competition is. For important sites I try to reg the .com.au and support/defensive domains such as .net.au. For lesser sites, I wouldn't bother with the .net.au.

If it's a potentially valuable site and I have competition with much deeper pockets then $20 is a good investment.

I've been 'beaten up' by a [keyword].org on an Aussie geo before and I've done the beating up with a .net.au against some very deep pockets. Horses for courses.

 

[Horshack]

Not surprisingly it looks like alot of $1 .net.au registrations have started showing up in the bargain basement section on netfleet hoping for a quick buck. That's what I'd expect people's plans are for the majority of .net.au registrations and when they don;t sell they will be dropped again at renewal stage in 2 years time without a second thought.

 

[findtim]

If it's a potentially valuable site and I have competition with much deeper pockets then $20 is a good investment.

yep, that's the only reason I own a few .net.au's ( maybe 4 ? that's how much attention I pay to them ! )

I did pay over $1000 for a .net.au to protect my .com.au and snoopy's reasoning is sound but not in this case as the competitor has soooooooooooooo much money they would truly eat me up if they had the .net.au.

there is also another reason which I won't say in a public forum, I might post it in VIP

tim

 

[findtim]

just ask yourself what the price would be if it was a .com.au

http://screencast.com/t/ve0U5mpMdk

tim