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[snoopy]

carinsurance.net.au - $33,001

So carinsurance.net.au registrant has zero rights to .au?

Yes, because the .com.au is worth far more than the .net.au version. They have made a choice to buy a second rate extension, they shouldn't get a free upgrade at the expense of the .com.au owner. The rights of carinsuarance.net.au should be no different to the rights of bobsburgershop.net.au. Both have skimped or made bad choices.

 

[Lemon]

Even if hypothetically the .net.au was registered in 2000 and the .com.au was registered today 16 years later by a different registrant?

Problem is that with the generic .com.au they were not available for reg until after .net.au and they were put to auction. The existing .net.au had an option of bidding so if they didn't their loss. You can't base ownership on who has it longest.

The only solution is for .com.au to get first option on .au no matter who owns the other extensions. .org.au .net.au .gov.au .id.au .csiro.au etc.
Even if it goes out to domain owners obviously there are 10x .com.au owners and they would all vote to have the .au given to them.

 

[Bacon Farmer]

The owner of carinsurance.com.au (circa $500,000) says yes, zero rights.

 

[Rhythm]

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[neddy]

So carinsurance.net.au registrant has zero rights to .au?

Correct. And that's the way it will go. I'm prepared to bet you any money Z!

Yes, because the .com.au is worth far more than the .net.au version. They have made a choice to buy a second rate extension, they shouldn't get a free upgrade at the expense of the .com.au owner. The rights of carinsuarance.net.au should be no different to the rights of bobsburgershop.net.au. Both have skimped or made bad choices.

You can add another reason - they simply couldn't afford the com.au, which is why they went for second best. That shouldn't (and won't) allow them to be a player if and when .au rears its head.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Lemon]

You can add another reason - they simply couldn't afford the com.au, which is why they went for second best. That shouldn't (and won't) allow them to be a player if and when .au rears its head.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should rights go to who has the most money.

 

[Scott7]

carinsurance.net.au - $33,001

I'd imagine that if the .com.au was put on the market it would go for a significantly higher amount.
33k was a loose change purchase, given the deep pockets of the buyer.

 

[Scott7]

You can add another reason - they simply couldn't afford the com.au, which is why they went for second best.

In this particular case, I think it is more likely that the .com.au simply wasn't available, because this .net.au owner could certainly afford it, even if they wanted seven figures.

 

[Scott.L]

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should rights go to who has the most money.

So why are Granny Smith apples priced higher than Pink Lady Apples? Apples are Apples right?

 

[Lemon]

So why are Granny Smith apples priced higher than Pink Lady Apples? Apples are Apples right?

.net.au is a banana
I am a lemon

 

[DomainNames]

Let's be realistic here, Deloitte is going to tell them it is a great idea for AUDA's revenue (which it is). I'll change my username to Pumpernickel Pie if Deloitte comes back and says there is no business case.

You might be surprised to hear Deloitte may have already advised auDA last week there is no business case for another competing .au extension. Deloitte have already said it in their own reports also.

http://www.domainer.com.au/the-future-is-bright/#comments
https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/economics/articles/connected-small-businesses-google.html
https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...-connected-small-businesses-google-100413.pdf

 

[Rhythm]

Deloitte have already said it in their own reports also.

http://www.domainer.com.au/the-future-is-bright/#comments
https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/economics/articles/connected-small-businesses-google.html
https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...-connected-small-businesses-google-100413.pdf

Where exactly have Deloitte said it in their own reports?

 

[DomainNames]

I'd imagine that if the .com.au was put on the market it would go for a significantly higher amount.
33k was a loose change purchase, given the deep pockets of the buyer.

I remember auDA auctioned off the "reserved" generic .com.au names years ago and people paid a lot of money for them. Did they also auction off the .net.au and what wad the price differences if they did?

"Premium .com.au domain names a valuable asset for Australian businesses"
https://www.ausregistry.com.au/prem...s-a-valuable-asset-for-australian-businesses/

"Purchasing premium generics
I encourage business owners to consider registering a premium generic .com.au domain name.

In most cases, premium generic domain names will have already been registered. This does not mean they are unavailable for purchase though.

Various Registrars provide expired domain and aftermarket auction services to help businesses acquire highly sought-after domain names. Simply contact your preferred registrar and ask how they can help you register the perfect domain name for your business. For a list of the Australian Registrars, visit the AusRegistry website.

About the Author: George Pongas

George has been actively involved with the Australian domain industry since 2003. He currently holds the position of Director - Product Management at AusRegistry, the appointed .au 2LD Registry Operator. He is also serving his fourth term as a director on the auDA Board after being popularly elected by the supply class in October 2015. In the past, he has held CEO and other senior positions at successful Registrars, and played a valuable leadership role in shaping the .au retail sector in its formative years. He is dedicated to contributing his commercial sensibility and extensive industry experience to the benefit of the Australian domain industry and all Internet users."
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[Rhythm]

You seem pretty confused

auDA and Ausregistry are not the same entities

 

[Scott7]

I remember auDA auctioned off the "reserved" generic .com.au names years ago and people paid a lot of money for them. Did they also auction off the .net.au and what wad the price differences if they did?

I don't know.

 

[Lemon]

I don't know.

.net.au never had any reserved names so no auction.

 

[Nicole Murdoch]

Where exactly have Deloitte said it in their own reports?

Where is the reference?

 

[Horshack]

We will be going around in circles on this discussion until a decision is made but I can't see the problem with auctioning off conflicted names between conflicted registrants. The NZ domain name commission recognised that there's no hierarchy of rights so they came up with a solution which they thought was fair to all eligible registrants but unfortunately it doesn't appear to have been successful. Perhaps they misjudged the interest of registrants and thought that many of the conflicted holders wouldn't be interested in registering another extension but that has generally not been the case. Let's face it if you want the extension to be successful you can't totally exclude any conflicted names so the next best solution is an auction. Better still let's just leave things as they are because there's absolutely no need for another extension in the au space anyway.

 

[Lemon]

I can't see the problem with auctioning off conflicted names between conflicted registrants

So if you have 2 or 3 conflicting parties with on of your personal domain names would you be happy if someone outbid you?

 

[Horshack]

I have no problem whatsoever.