200k is a bargain. Does this make geos overpriced
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I tend to look at PR coverage the modern way
it's only just begun and I think I can count 16 pieces of distribution
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&gl=au&tbm=nws&q=iinet+domain+name
Wonder what an average PR company places on that for a brand eg if its in the Bribane Times today it will be in the Age tomorrow and the Fin Review on Sat.
But you would knw that of course
it's only just begun and I think I can count 16 pieces of distribution
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&gl=au&tbm=nws&q=iinet+domain+name
Wonder what an average PR company places on that for a brand eg if its in the Bribane Times today it will be in the Age tomorrow and the Fin Review on Sat.
But you would knw that of course
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snoopy
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C'mon, most of those pieces of distribution are near worthless. itwire? domain blogs? arnnet?
findtim
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ok, my head on a platter again ! , who says "www." anymore? noone ! so by shortening the name to exclude .com.au and just be .iinet kinda makes sense
we are travelling at the speed of light towards mobile everything and less typing is LESS typing, my Iphone has a .com button but not a .com.au button ( if anyone knows the APP please tell me )
They already have a huge client base and with a good sales team they can convince people who don't know what we do to PAY for new services they TELL them "they shold want..."
I think they will get their 200K back pretty quick, now whether thats a good thing or a bad thing i dont know but if i did the numbers and could see how i could net 1 MIL from a 200K investment then of course i would.
1 MIL is only $100 from 10,000 people, and then you have them locked in
i think the numbers work even if the logic doesn't
tim
we are travelling at the speed of light towards mobile everything and less typing is LESS typing, my Iphone has a .com button but not a .com.au button ( if anyone knows the APP please tell me )
They already have a huge client base and with a good sales team they can convince people who don't know what we do to PAY for new services they TELL them "they shold want..."
I think they will get their 200K back pretty quick, now whether thats a good thing or a bad thing i dont know but if i did the numbers and could see how i could net 1 MIL from a 200K investment then of course i would.
1 MIL is only $100 from 10,000 people, and then you have them locked in
i think the numbers work even if the logic doesn't
tim
PR is public relations in any country
The news feeds in most Western countries are terrible. Do we need to talk Gina? I think not! Some have our opinions and a few know I agree with you all but we don't know what's around the corner. Pcs for example are gone. I've personally had my doubts about geos since Panda ESP in our country.
Anything should be looked at using .co.uk to see where a geo is left.
So going on a dummies guide to the Internet it's G in this country and now it's tracked to the IP
Geos are far less valuable
Just my two bobs worth
The news feeds in most Western countries are terrible. Do we need to talk Gina? I think not! Some have our opinions and a few know I agree with you all but we don't know what's around the corner. Pcs for example are gone. I've personally had my doubts about geos since Panda ESP in our country.
Anything should be looked at using .co.uk to see where a geo is left.
So going on a dummies guide to the Internet it's G in this country and now it's tracked to the IP
Geos are far less valuable
Just my two bobs worth
payattention
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PC's are far from gone no matter how many times Apple harp on about this post-pc rubbish. Desktops are still growing each year albeit not as big as before but their volume still crushes tablets. Tablets won't be around that long and PC's will be gone once we can put the display directly onto our retinas at a cheap price which is all likely to be powered by our mobile phones. Not that far away either.
You raised a good point though Billy01 and that's the inclusion of a .com button on the iPhone - no .net .info or any other extension. Reinforces that .com is king above all others.
I just switched to a Galaxy Nexus to try out Android and it doesn't have anything like that but Google's search is pretty much built into the phone, it's far easier to search for the domain name in the search bar than type the url. The design of the browser actually makes it a bit of a pain to type the url into the address bar. It wouldn't surprise me if this was part of design to stop users using the address bar and twisting their arm to use Google search for everything. Maybe the people who type facebook.com into google.com have it right after all
You raised a good point though Billy01 and that's the inclusion of a .com button on the iPhone - no .net .info or any other extension. Reinforces that .com is king above all others.
I just switched to a Galaxy Nexus to try out Android and it doesn't have anything like that but Google's search is pretty much built into the phone, it's far easier to search for the domain name in the search bar than type the url. The design of the browser actually makes it a bit of a pain to type the url into the address bar. It wouldn't surprise me if this was part of design to stop users using the address bar and twisting their arm to use Google search for everything. Maybe the people who type facebook.com into google.com have it right after all
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What's that got to do with it? No one disputes that .com is the single most used extension in the world and no one suggests that will change with new tlds??
payattention
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It's in response to the hype in the article David, not you.
payattention
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My fault for generalising but when I say .com is king, I'm talking about .com as well as the premium ccTLDS such as .com.au over .net.au or .sydney. Probably isn't how the phrase is traditionally used though so I'll make things clearer in future as not to anger you David
johno69
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The others are there though, just hold the .com button a bit longer and they appear.
payattention
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I had no clue you could do that - it's probably not common knowledge if I didn't know
snoopy
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The average person on the street associates .com with American and International sites. A local company using a something other than .com.au makes no sense to me. .iinet is confusion central in my view. Personally I think if there is any initial impetus to promote these tlds it will die out because the average person will have no clue what these web address mean.
If I only knew a moderate amount about the internet and I saw .iinet being advertised I'd think,
-What on earth is that, is it a web address?
-If it is a web address where does this .iinet operate? It is probably not Australia.
-If I saw it on a web search I'd be more inclined to think the site is suspect compared with an extension I understand.
I think if they get it and switch to it/promote it, it will cost them in terms of revenue, potential new customers lost, SEO problems.
Not sure I follow this. Do you really think they have any sort of revenue projection involved with this? I think it is solely an ego thing.
findtim
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snoopy, www.iinet.com.au could now be broken down to just "iinet" which means email accounts could turn into "snoopy@iinet"
and how many millions of aussies still use ISP email addresses ! they could create automated redirects until it takes hold and SELL it as the next generation of email addresses ! just my quick guess.
think back to 1999 when the computers had to be reprogrammed for 2000 .... you just don't know what will happen but the essence of everything these days is SPEED and typing speed which will then turn into voice and as someone said retinal recognition.
the other point is they do not own the .com, so maybe there is a safety factor there?
i think the essence for this size company is protection, i assume they stopped the registration of iinet.xxx and they are jsut covering all bases.
SEO issues: well icann seem to be on a money grab right now and i hope they are talking to google about it .
I don't disagree with everything you say but i don't think 200k is a problem for them.
tim
and how many millions of aussies still use ISP email addresses ! they could create automated redirects until it takes hold and SELL it as the next generation of email addresses ! just my quick guess.
think back to 1999 when the computers had to be reprogrammed for 2000 .... you just don't know what will happen but the essence of everything these days is SPEED and typing speed which will then turn into voice and as someone said retinal recognition.
the other point is they do not own the .com, so maybe there is a safety factor there?
i think the essence for this size company is protection, i assume they stopped the registration of iinet.xxx and they are jsut covering all bases.
SEO issues: well icann seem to be on a money grab right now and i hope they are talking to google about it .
I don't disagree with everything you say but i don't think 200k is a problem for them.
tim
johno69
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That's not correct. They are just creating an extension. They still need something before the .iinet
they could have name@iinet.iinet
findtim
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maybe yes TODAY, an extension is only a "subdomain" like the "www." is actually a subdomain.
this is my point here... things change, and icann are able to do whatever they like.
all we seem to talk about on dnt is "whats it worth" , well in the present of what we know and what we do ....buy/sell.... we seem to know, what i'm saying is that this could be the "mcdonalds before there was mcdonalds ! "
not for any of my businesses but maybe for the facebook, googles of the world and the future facebooks icann would change.
johno69.
I program websites and am CONSTANTLY working on being quicker, if i do not have to type and extra .com.au that saves me time, if its happening 10,000 times a day for a businesses employees then that saves them money. time is money.
the bean counters would calculate all this and come up with a break even point, i'll spend a whole day creating a script to say me a few minutes because my breakeven point is 4 websites, this is how they think.
i started a business last year and my creation time was 1 hour per website, i now have it down to 17mins.
this is why loosing the .com.au coudl be worth 200K even if it is just used internally.
tim
this is my point here... things change, and icann are able to do whatever they like.
all we seem to talk about on dnt is "whats it worth" , well in the present of what we know and what we do ....buy/sell.... we seem to know, what i'm saying is that this could be the "mcdonalds before there was mcdonalds ! "
not for any of my businesses but maybe for the facebook, googles of the world and the future facebooks icann would change.
johno69.
I program websites and am CONSTANTLY working on being quicker, if i do not have to type and extra .com.au that saves me time, if its happening 10,000 times a day for a businesses employees then that saves them money. time is money.
the bean counters would calculate all this and come up with a break even point, i'll spend a whole day creating a script to say me a few minutes because my breakeven point is 4 websites, this is how they think.
i started a business last year and my creation time was 1 hour per website, i now have it down to 17mins.
this is why loosing the .com.au coudl be worth 200K even if it is just used internally.
tim
payattention
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You're not losing anything, you're replacing .com.au with .iinet as per your example. Your snoopy@iinet example just illustrates why these extensions are a bad idea - more confusion.
Support person says "just email me at mark at support dot iinet".
Customer wonders - does that mean:
mark@support.iinet
mark@support.ii.net
mark@support.ii.net.au
mark@support.iinet.net.au
mark@support.iinet.com.au
mark@support.iinet.com
... etc etc
My mum is still getting used to putting .au at the end of Australian website domains that she types directly into a Google search... I would bet money if I told her the address of some website was mobile.iinet, she would either type www.mobile.iinet.com or www.mobile.iinet.com.au...:confused:
