Yeah the fact that snoopy hasn't answered suggests he agrees that the comparison isn't fair - he knows the .com sold for crazy money. He only tried to make the comparison to try and put a downer on Aussie domains, I suspect (although please let me know if that's not the case, snoopy)
Ringtones.com.au - Dropping tomorrow.
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Yeah the fact that snoopy hasn't answered suggests he agrees that the comparison isn't fair - he knows the .com sold for crazy money. He only tried to make the comparison to try and put a downer on Aussie domains, I suspect (although please let me know if that's not the case, snoopy)
James
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Oh well in the end of the day main media are promoting strong recent sales of .com.au domains ie. deals/ home loans ect, I noticed my tweets about big money sales got a few people interested so it is all happening =)
payattention
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The ringtone market was pretty much dominated by Nokia handsets which is no longer the case. You could even argue that the word ringtone is Nokia lingo. iPhones are hugely popular in Australia as is Android and importing your own ringtone is easy to do on both platforms.
10 years ago most people didn't have a clue how to get a custom ringtone onto their phone (no longer the case) which is why you saw so many TV and paper adverts for them. You don't see ringtone advertisements any longer and you're lucky if you see SMS based entertainment ones too (love calculator, bf/gf perfect match etc).
The market for ringtones is no longer there - at least not in Australia. That's probably why the .com went for such a large amount as it can be used to target countries where older phones are widely used (I'm thinking China, Russia, 3rd world).
TLDR version: good riddance to the crazy frog.
10 years ago most people didn't have a clue how to get a custom ringtone onto their phone (no longer the case) which is why you saw so many TV and paper adverts for them. You don't see ringtone advertisements any longer and you're lucky if you see SMS based entertainment ones too (love calculator, bf/gf perfect match etc).
The market for ringtones is no longer there - at least not in Australia. That's probably why the .com went for such a large amount as it can be used to target countries where older phones are widely used (I'm thinking China, Russia, 3rd world).
TLDR version: good riddance to the crazy frog.
snoopy
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Personally when I heard about the .com sale I thought it was low, not sure I think the same today given how the term is on such a decline but the difference is very striking in my view.
Ringtones.com was being brokered and the seller was motivated so I don't think this is an example of some amazing offer coming along. 750 fold difference........excuses can be made till the cows come home but it is what it is.
snoopy
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Some other bits of trivia,
ringtones.md $1,000 2007-02-05
ringtones.mobi $145,000 2007-12-12
ringtones.cc $5,000 2007-01-19 (lol)
ringtones.org $120,000 2008-07-23
ringtones.co.uk $1,929 2007-10-03
ringtones.biz $4,000 2011-04-20
ringtones.be $4,500 2011-01-07
ringtones.net $175,000 8/7/07
ringtones.md $1,000 2007-02-05
ringtones.mobi $145,000 2007-12-12
ringtones.cc $5,000 2007-01-19 (lol)
ringtones.org $120,000 2008-07-23
ringtones.co.uk $1,929 2007-10-03
ringtones.biz $4,000 2011-04-20
ringtones.be $4,500 2011-01-07
ringtones.net $175,000 8/7/07
snoopy
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Come back when you have at least done 30 seconds of research on what you are saying.
Snoopy you accept that:
1) the .com sale was a couple of years ago and a big decline in the ringtone market has happened since then
2) the .com was sold through end-user brokerage rather than a 22hr domainer auction (as James said)
3) the .com sold for a suprisingly high price
4) the .com.au sold for a surprisingly low price
5) the Australian ringtone market has declined much faster than the worldwide market (as Jonathan said)
6) Ringtones.com was a developed site when sold (in fact it was a pretty big site from what I can see, developed since 1999 and the domain still maintains a high backlink profile)
It's comparing apples and oranges.
So, you know all this, but you still go to pains to make the comparison?
The question is why? Why do you do this when you know (you're a smart guy) it's not an accurate analysis?
1) the .com sale was a couple of years ago and a big decline in the ringtone market has happened since then
2) the .com was sold through end-user brokerage rather than a 22hr domainer auction (as James said)
3) the .com sold for a suprisingly high price
4) the .com.au sold for a surprisingly low price
5) the Australian ringtone market has declined much faster than the worldwide market (as Jonathan said)
6) Ringtones.com was a developed site when sold (in fact it was a pretty big site from what I can see, developed since 1999 and the domain still maintains a high backlink profile)
It's comparing apples and oranges.
So, you know all this, but you still go to pains to make the comparison?
The question is why? Why do you do this when you know (you're a smart guy) it's not an accurate analysis?
snoopy
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Already said that. Though in 2010 the ringtone market was majorly on the slide.
I don't think this went to the type of buyer you suggest, the seller hired a broker and seemingly need a sale. The buyer has put a whole lot of affiliate crap on it.
Thought it was low at the time, here are my comments on it from back then,
http://www.elliotsblog.com/ringtones-com-changes-hands-for-750k-3893
"That sounds a very low price, doesn’t sound like this is still a highly lucrative market to me for it to sell for that price."
The .com was surprising low price as well, still 750 times higher and like I said I don't think there was any bargains to be had, just the reality of the market.
Jonathon also suggested in the same post that the .com buyer paid that much to sell ringtones in China, Russia and 3rd world countries. Personally I think the claims are not based on something factual.
People don't pay 750k for backlinks, especially when the site is going to be pulled down and replaced with redirects and other crap.
Your viewpoints are based on the .com.au selling for peanuts and the .com for what you consider a high price, instead of accepting the reality of it we get the usual nonsense arguments based on your biased opinions of both markets. There is nothing more comparable than the same term selling in two extensions.
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payattention
Archived Member
It was just a hunch but I did a little reading this morning and the ringtone market in India (Bollywood ringtones) and China is growing.
Some interesting reading:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hu...ne-service-on-tata-docomo-in-india-2012-03-22
http://techasset.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/mobile-music-market-to-reach-5-5-billion-in-2015/
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2007/tc20071026_981629_page_2.htm
It's probably no wonder given the size of their populations and that most people can't afford an iPhone in those countries but can get by on old tech which use polyphonic or video ringtones.
So, I still stand by what I said earlier.
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soj
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I would have purchased this if I didnt buy another domain earlier in the week
Can you share what you bought?
James
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backlinks.com.au
Not the best domain in the world but for what I do I like it short and simple, I have a few ideas for it and it is in my market.
Have made a temp site, will add a whole heap of more content soon.
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findtim
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I didn't know where to put this info but i think here was an alright place.
i was in the videoezy this afternoon and this guys on the mobile talking load and says "yeh, i've got loanfinder and financefinder.com.au....... bla bla, we'll i reckon their worth about 60-80k a month in revenue...bla bla... yeh, got some guys in brissie working on them.... etc etc " and he jsut kept on yapping for 10 minutes then walked out and walked down the mall still yapping.
just goes to show "you never know who's listening to you" !
take whatever message u want from that.
tim
i was in the videoezy this afternoon and this guys on the mobile talking load and says "yeh, i've got loanfinder and financefinder.com.au....... bla bla, we'll i reckon their worth about 60-80k a month in revenue...bla bla... yeh, got some guys in brissie working on them.... etc etc " and he jsut kept on yapping for 10 minutes then walked out and walked down the mall still yapping.
just goes to show "you never know who's listening to you" !
take whatever message u want from that.
tim
ScottNugent
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60-80k a month!? Surely not...
soj
Founder
snoopy
Top Contributor
Sounds like your classic big noter. Doubt these are really making anything.
findtim
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thats what he said he expected to take in commissions per month.
drug dealer: no, he was 50 ish, in a polo shirt, in suburbia, with his 2 primary school kids inside video easy.
big noter: probably but he mentioned "investors", "programmers" etc and a company name so people don't talk like that unless they are putting money into it. YES it may fail and many do but he talked strongly about iteven though he was to load for a conversation like that !
tim
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