shags38
Top Contributor
Nice Car James,
interesting comments so far and as always some differing opinions or slants on things. For the record yes I screwed up big time with the 2000 odd domains I frantically regged but as Ned Kelly said as they put the noose around his neck ... "soooch is loif" ... ("such is life" with an Irish accent, but you figured that right?).
I find this type of conversation very stimulating because it strikes at the very heart of what we are doing here.
Just to throw some more fuel onto the fire. Not only in this forum but others also and indeed on every domain listing website I have ever visited I continually hear about "Premium" names and how valuable they are. As it is with SEO and other things there are certain common denominators but there are always variants of opinion, application, experiences and goals. So who decides what is a premium domain name? I would have thought it would be the marketplace, the potential buyer / user, but it is becoming more and more apparent to me as time goes on that this is not the case. It appears that self appointed experts, using both their industry earned experience and historical data as well as a wet finger raised into the breeze, are making the decisions in many cases well before the marketplace gets the opportunity to decide for themselves. Let me clarify marketplace, I mean the whole marketplace, not the "club".
Examples are in our faces every day - try submitting names to ANY seller for auction or premium listing and wait for the thanks but no thanks response. bYes I know my names are mostly shit but I do have some good ones but not according to the people who decide whether anyone else gets to see them to then decide whether they will part with their money. It is knd of like someone being at the front door of a major department store eyeing you up and down and then assessing that you really should be shopping at cheap as chips and not here at Myer, based on their assessment AND historical "teachings / data" - (being brought up to assess that someone wearing shorts and thongs and unshaven would not have money .... WRONG).
Premium means top quality, top position etc etc - who determines that standing, or if someone creates some premium then generally they have done so with someone in mind - a discerning buyer maybe?
I will use the Gen Y+ (Y is moving on, Y+ is following close up though) up and coming business entrepreneurs as an example - they have no fear and importantly have foresight whereas many currently sitting in the decision making chairs are looking back over their shoulders. Hopefully Gen Y+ will change things.
Domain names are like internet real estate right? Not everyone can live on the actual foreshore of Sydney Harbour but there are truck loads of people living or wanting to live just a street or two or 3 away from the huge mansions on the shore. But the real estate agents ignore those houses and those potential buyers whilst they wine and dine the owners of the few shoreline properties that may be up for sale - right?? ..... WRONG, they would go broke.
Not everyone can live on the shoreline but second best is still very attractive.
Not with domain names though, second best is crap, there is premium then there is crap ........ according to the decision makers. How often have you submitted a name or two to one of the big guys only to be told in an email it didn't meet thier criteria whilst reading that email and looking at some of the absolute crap names they have in their featured domains whilst you have another look at the most recent offer you got for a domain that they said was crap?? (ok, they don't say crap).
I submitted some names recently and got the standard thanks but no thanks (big deal) but I sent an email back asking a few questions for clarification just to see what their rationale was. Need less to say that was a wasted exercise. 3DPhone.com is aparantly a good name but 3DPhones.com is not. Gee if I couldn't get that absolutely magnificent mansion on the harbour foreshore I would certainly think seriously about the one next door.
Oh, by the way - this is NOT about 3D names - it applies to any topic names.
I figure that letting the whole marketplace decide on the suitability and value of a given name is the smart thing to do.
This to me is another sign that domaining is not growing, not developing - it appears to be floundering and the big players are grasping at straws, all trying to get the sales for the declining super duper names whilst ignoring the bulk of the market. There is nowhere, no suitable platform for selling "next best / not crap" names (aha !! what is the determination of next best / crap names
.... list them on Sedo amongst 3million others ... good luck.
Hey David, Mark and George - none of this is targeted at you guys, you do a good job .... I was particularly pointing to the dot com situation.
Albeit it does still raise the health of the AU market when the ONLY AFTERMARKET AUCTION gets only 50 names and likely less than 50 contributors out of how many domainers ?????? The 30,000 plus names listed on Netfleet must all be being kept for future investment?
Ok, enough for now ....... getting blisters on the tips of my typing finger (fingers, I use - I've been practicing 2)
cheers,
Mike
I was having this dream last night ........ a domain broking company, one of the big ones (a legit one), contacted me and said they had a client interested in one of my names. I replied ... "oh that name, the one that a few months ago you told me you didn't want to list or auction, that one? .... thanks but no thanks, if the client really wants it he will find me ..... have a nice day".
Hey, we are all allowed to dream right ? 2 D)
Mike
Seeing as there is some interest in this thread how about you guys have a look and comment on the thread I started about selling an AU domain under 6months reg age .......... I started the thread for a reason and it seems that it is all quiet on the western front on the subject ??
interesting comments so far and as always some differing opinions or slants on things. For the record yes I screwed up big time with the 2000 odd domains I frantically regged but as Ned Kelly said as they put the noose around his neck ... "soooch is loif" ... ("such is life" with an Irish accent, but you figured that right?).
I find this type of conversation very stimulating because it strikes at the very heart of what we are doing here.
Just to throw some more fuel onto the fire. Not only in this forum but others also and indeed on every domain listing website I have ever visited I continually hear about "Premium" names and how valuable they are. As it is with SEO and other things there are certain common denominators but there are always variants of opinion, application, experiences and goals. So who decides what is a premium domain name? I would have thought it would be the marketplace, the potential buyer / user, but it is becoming more and more apparent to me as time goes on that this is not the case. It appears that self appointed experts, using both their industry earned experience and historical data as well as a wet finger raised into the breeze, are making the decisions in many cases well before the marketplace gets the opportunity to decide for themselves. Let me clarify marketplace, I mean the whole marketplace, not the "club".
Examples are in our faces every day - try submitting names to ANY seller for auction or premium listing and wait for the thanks but no thanks response. bYes I know my names are mostly shit but I do have some good ones but not according to the people who decide whether anyone else gets to see them to then decide whether they will part with their money. It is knd of like someone being at the front door of a major department store eyeing you up and down and then assessing that you really should be shopping at cheap as chips and not here at Myer, based on their assessment AND historical "teachings / data" - (being brought up to assess that someone wearing shorts and thongs and unshaven would not have money .... WRONG).
Premium means top quality, top position etc etc - who determines that standing, or if someone creates some premium then generally they have done so with someone in mind - a discerning buyer maybe?
I will use the Gen Y+ (Y is moving on, Y+ is following close up though) up and coming business entrepreneurs as an example - they have no fear and importantly have foresight whereas many currently sitting in the decision making chairs are looking back over their shoulders. Hopefully Gen Y+ will change things.
Domain names are like internet real estate right? Not everyone can live on the actual foreshore of Sydney Harbour but there are truck loads of people living or wanting to live just a street or two or 3 away from the huge mansions on the shore. But the real estate agents ignore those houses and those potential buyers whilst they wine and dine the owners of the few shoreline properties that may be up for sale - right?? ..... WRONG, they would go broke.
Not everyone can live on the shoreline but second best is still very attractive.
Not with domain names though, second best is crap, there is premium then there is crap ........ according to the decision makers. How often have you submitted a name or two to one of the big guys only to be told in an email it didn't meet thier criteria whilst reading that email and looking at some of the absolute crap names they have in their featured domains whilst you have another look at the most recent offer you got for a domain that they said was crap?? (ok, they don't say crap).
I submitted some names recently and got the standard thanks but no thanks (big deal) but I sent an email back asking a few questions for clarification just to see what their rationale was. Need less to say that was a wasted exercise. 3DPhone.com is aparantly a good name but 3DPhones.com is not. Gee if I couldn't get that absolutely magnificent mansion on the harbour foreshore I would certainly think seriously about the one next door.
Oh, by the way - this is NOT about 3D names - it applies to any topic names.
I figure that letting the whole marketplace decide on the suitability and value of a given name is the smart thing to do.
This to me is another sign that domaining is not growing, not developing - it appears to be floundering and the big players are grasping at straws, all trying to get the sales for the declining super duper names whilst ignoring the bulk of the market. There is nowhere, no suitable platform for selling "next best / not crap" names (aha !! what is the determination of next best / crap names
.... list them on Sedo amongst 3million others ... good luck.Hey David, Mark and George - none of this is targeted at you guys, you do a good job .... I was particularly pointing to the dot com situation.
Albeit it does still raise the health of the AU market when the ONLY AFTERMARKET AUCTION gets only 50 names and likely less than 50 contributors out of how many domainers ?????? The 30,000 plus names listed on Netfleet must all be being kept for future investment?
Ok, enough for now ....... getting blisters on the tips of my typing finger (fingers, I use - I've been practicing 2
)cheers,
Mike
I was having this dream last night ........ a domain broking company, one of the big ones (a legit one), contacted me and said they had a client interested in one of my names. I replied ... "oh that name, the one that a few months ago you told me you didn't want to list or auction, that one? .... thanks but no thanks, if the client really wants it he will find me ..... have a nice day".
Hey, we are all allowed to dream right ?
2 D)Mike
Seeing as there is some interest in this thread how about you guys have a look and comment on the thread I started about selling an AU domain under 6months reg age .......... I started the thread for a reason and it seems that it is all quiet on the western front on the subject ??
