vodka.info

[reub]

I probably won't bid, but vodka.info is going for $789 in the Dynadot Marketplace with 20hrs left.

Given the 3 million Vodka.com went for, what I'm hugely interested in what the .info will fetch, and whether or not it's actually worth it's final sale price.

What's the value of a .info domain?
Obviously the keyword is hugely valuable in this case, but also the huge 3mill sale of the dot-com.

What do you think?

 

[neddy]

This will be interesting. 92 bids - 16 bidders.

Vodka.com.au is owned by CARLTON AND UNITED. I own the .net.au.
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[Lorenzo]

I think that the people who paid $3,000,000 should/could spend a fraction of that and grab it.

 

[reub]

vodka.info auction ended at $3301.00 with 149 bids. nice

 

[reub]

oh & here's an older forum with the guy that formerly owned .info

Vodka.info / Gin.info

 

[DomainNames]

save your money

 

[snoopy]

I think that the people who paid $3,000,000 should/could spend a fraction of that and grab it.

I'd say the following,

-They overpaid for vokda.com.
-They've probably never heard of .info.
-If they had heard of .info they'd probably also know it is crap.

 

[jhellyer]

Stop hiding behind that bush Snoop and tell us what you really think...lmao...classic.

 

[James]

Think it is a decent pick up if they can develop it and have it ranked.

It shows you the US domain market is in a bit of a flat period at the moment.

 

[snoopy]

Think it is a decent pick up if they can develop it and have it ranked.

It shows you the US domain market is in a bit of a flat period at the moment.

I think alternate extensions have really been belted over the last few years, .us, .info, .biz, .tv etc. I don't think it will get any better with all the new tlds coming along.

Suspect this might have got 3-4 times the price in 2007.

 

[James]

I think alternate extensions have really been belted over the last few years, .us, .info, .biz, .tv etc. I don't think it will get any better with all the new tlds coming along.

Suspect this might have got 3-4 times the price in 2007.

Thing is if you have a very strong keyword and the TLD is half decent I mean .info is ok...

If you get the domain ranked and push a brand around it, even a e-commerce shop any thing is possible.

People say you can not rank .info it is bull shit, if you know your you are doing any thing is possible....

Thing is 3k for this domain is not a bad risk at all, it is all business if you don't take risks you dont get rewards...

 

[snoopy]

Thing is if you have a very strong keyword and the TLD is half decent I mean .info is ok...

If you get the domain ranked and push a brand around it, even a e-commerce shop any thing is possible.

People say you can not rank .info it is bull shit, if you know your you are doing any thing is possible....

Thing is 3k for this domain is not a bad risk at all, it is all business if you don't take risks you dont get rewards...

Personally I think .info will continue to depreciate with "increased supply" of comparable domains as new tlds are released. Anything is possible but that is true of just about any domain.

 

[DavidL]

... it is all business if you don't take risks you dont get rewards...

Very true. It's 'oh so easy' to just always criticise other people's strategies or investments. However no business endeavour is without risk. Whether it's people buying .info domains, shags on his 3d buzz - at least they are having a go.

Many successful business people were looked at with incredulity when they started doing what they were doing.

However in this instance I think snoopy is right. These new TLDs will hurt all domains to some extent (amount tba) especially gTLDs.

 

[snoopy]

Very true. It's 'oh so easy' to just always criticise other people's strategies or investments. However no business endeavour is without risk. Whether it's people buying .info domains, shags on his 3d buzz - at least they are having a go.

Many successful business people were looked at with incredulity when they started doing what they were doing.

David,

The thing is when someone say registers hundreds or thousands of "3d" .com.au's they haven't really taken on any "upside" risk, the outcome is pretty obvious to most people except themselves. There is no hidden brilliance. It doesn't help to encourage or sugar coat that kind of thing. They'll just end up in an even deeper hole.

 

[DavidL]

David,

The thing is when someone say registers hundreds or thousands of "3d" .com.au's they haven't really taken on any "upside" risk, the outcome is pretty obvious to most people except themselves. There is no hidden brilliance. It doesn't help to encourage or sugar coat that kind of thing. They'll just end up in an even deeper hole.

Of course there is/was 'upside risk' with registering the 3D domains. Might be small but it's there. Just because you or I don't think it's a worthwhile gamble doesn't mean we should just dismiss it out of hand.

As I said

It's 'oh so easy' to just always criticise other people's strategies or investments..

So, on that note, what would you invest your money in with regards to domains? Where are the 'glass mainly full' opportunities today as you see it?

 

[snoopy]

Of course there is/was 'upside risk' with registering the 3D domains. Might be small but it's there. Just because you or I don't think it's a worthwhile gamble doesn't mean we should just dismiss it out of hand.

There is no upside risk in the stuff shags was registering, it is was junk. Thousands of the type of names that would be lucky to generate 1 sale a year.

Ask him how it has gone if you think registering names like that shouldn't be dismissed.

As I said

So, on that note, what would you invest your money in with regards to domains? Where are the 'glass mainly full' opportunities today as you see it?

We had this exact same discussion two weeks ago. I wouldn't invest in domains right now. If I did "had to invest in domains" I'd buy popular keyword .com's.

 

[DavidL]

There is no upside risk in the stuff shags was registering, it is was junk. Thousands of the type of names that would be lucky to generate 1 sale a year.

Let me give you an example you might relate to.

There was a guy who about 8-10 years ago registered lostsuper.com.au. At the time everybody thought he was crazy. They said things like

"it costs $100 pa to register - that's crazy!"
"you can't even monetise .au domains what a nutter"
"it's a lousy .au domain name - worth nothing"
"you can't even sell .au domains - this guy is a deadset loser"
"that's an absolute junk domain"

To put it another way "the outcome was pretty obvious to most people except himself" - he was wasting his money.

Now I tried to buy that domain off that guy but he said (very reasonably) he couldn't accept any less than $10K for it as it made so much passive income just parked.

Do you see what I'm saying? Was the guy right to ignore the naysayers and take a risk?

Ask him how it has gone if you think registering names like that shouldn't be dismissed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I didn't say that it was a good investment - I just counseled against being so dismissive of ANYBODY prepared to take a bit of a punt.

We had this exact same discussion two weeks ago. I wouldn't invest in domains right now. If I did "had to invest in domains" I'd buy popular keyword .com's.

You certainly said that all domains in the last 3 or 4 years have been a terrible investment. This begs the questions -

What are you doing/have you been doing spending so much time on domainer forums? Certainly great for the rest of us to have a less bullish outlook - stimulate discussions like this one but I wonder what your motivation is?

Why don't you sell all your domains pronto?

If you haven't invested seriously in domains for many years, are you really qualified to give so much investment advice?

Thanks snoopy - I appreciate your candour.

 

[snoopy]

Let me give you an example you might relate to.

There was a guy who about 8-10 years ago registered lostsuper.com.au. At the time everybody thought he was crazy. They said things like

"it costs $100 pa to register - that's crazy!"
"you can't even monetise .au domains what a nutter"
"it's a lousy .au domain name - worth nothing"
"you can't even sell .au domains - this guy is a deadset loser"
"that's an absolute junk domain"

To put it another way "the outcome was pretty obvious to most people except himself" - he was wasting his money.

The name made a good return from PPC, that was the reason for registering. Instead of predicting any "outcome" it was about income. Having said that I spent a lot of time looking at .com.au over several years with not that much to gain from it at the end of he day. That time would have been better spent on .com.

Now I tried to buy that domain off that guy but he said (very reasonably) he couldn't accept any less than $10K for it as it made so much passive income just parked.

Do you see what I'm saying? Was the guy right to ignore the naysayers and take a risk?

There wasn't really any risk, I think the name paid for itself in a month or two. If people can find names like that great, go crazy, I spent a lot of time on it and found a dozen, I found thousands in .com.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I didn't say that it was a good investment - I just counseled against being so dismissive of ANYBODY prepared to take a bit of a punt.

David, I don't expect you to be dismissive of any .com.au "investment" because it isn't in your interest to say so. Fact is Shags wasted his money on a well worn path to nowhere and many people practically begged him to stop.

You certainly said that all domains in the last 3 or 4 years have been a terrible investment.

Never said anything like this. Maybe you'd be better off quoting me instead of making up stuff or writing what you'd like me to be saying.

This begs the questions -

What are you doing/have you been doing spending so much time on domainer forums? Certainly great for the rest of us to have a less bullish outlook - stimulate discussions like this one but I wonder what your motivation is?

Why don't you sell all your domains pronto?

If you haven't invested seriously in domains for many years, are you really qualified to give so much investment advice?

Thanks snoopy - I appreciate your candour.

Given the first statement above is entirely untrue do you want me to answer all these questions based it.

Secondly haven't we gone through all these questions before? Should I add an FAQ section to my profile so you don't have to ask the same questions?

 

[DavidL]

The name made a good return from PPC, that was the reason for registering. ?

Are you sure? Monetisation was outlawed in .au for many years after you registered it so I don't know how you could have made a calculated decision based on PPC

Instead of predicting any "outcome" it was about income. Having said that I spent a lot of time looking at .com.au over several years with not that much to gain from it at the end of he day. That time would have been better spent on .com.

Yes - you were too early for .au. Just as I was too late for .com.

David, I don't expect you to be dismissive of any .com.au "investment" because it isn't in your interest to say so. Fact is Shags wasted his money on a well worn path to nowhere and many people practically begged him to stop.

I am never 'dismissive' of anyone's investment decisions - domains or otherwise.

Never said anything like this. Maybe you'd be better off quoting me instead of making up stuff or writing what you'd like me to be saying.

Oh I'm so sorry. I could have sworn you said something along the lines of:

".com values fell 50-60% between 2007 and 2010 and have since recovered by about 50%" (something like that I'm para-phrasing)

So a real loss of about 30% over the last 4 years.

I then made the assumption that this would make .com investment, in your eyes, a 'terrible investment' - it was wrong of me to make that assumption I'm sorry.

Given the first statement above is entirely untrue do you want me to answer all these questions based it.

No - again I'm sorry if you feel a 30% loss over the last 4 years isn't such a terrible investment then my questions aren't relevant.

Secondly haven't we gone through all these questions before? Should I add an FAQ section to my profile so you don't have to ask the same questions?

We've skirted around the questions, I agree. But like a clever politician, you've tried hard to avoid directly answering them. I just find the inconsistencies absolutely fascinating.