Cheyne
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Why do you keep quoting this? People are allowed to make money, it's what businesses do to stay in business.
The rising popularity of .Com in Australia
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Why do you keep quoting this? People are allowed to make money, it's what businesses do to stay in business.
snoopy
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.co.uk registrations have fallen 600,000 registrations since .uk started and NZ growth (all extensions combined) fell from 10% to 3%, I'd say that is significant decline.
The issue is it will take a small market share but it does damage to everything else and saps the credibility out of the market. Look at the mess Nominet is now in with several million registrations automatically placed into people's accounts with auto renewal turned on.
If AUDA brings in .AU they will be desperate a few years later when it is obviously failing just like Nominet is now. The end result will be a bunch of effort wasted promoting it like .id.au and .net.au and a load of damage done to .com.au. AUDA management will be concerned about their positions, not with the quality of the namespace.
My advice though to people is definitely to avoid .com.au regardless. The market is already badly on the wane and will get worse with AUDA steering the car off the track.
snoopy
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It's a great quote.
Bacon Farmer
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Have a transition period of 5 years.
The number of .com.au trademark holders would be very small. The lesser of two evils.
How much does a trade mark cost?
findtim
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what amazes me about trademarks is they will take your money but thats the end of it, they have absolutely no desire to protect you and you have to do it all yourself, and then they dissect it up into categories eg: dove soap, dove chocolate is what they often use.
simple solutions that real business owners use like "common sense" do not apply to gov depts
the trademark solution is just a sentence " any trademark ending in .com.au will also apply from 1/july/20** to include .au "
problem solved, and then update it at next renewal ! when they changed from miles to klms the cars with miles speedo's didn't stop working did they ?
tim
simple solutions that real business owners use like "common sense" do not apply to gov depts
the trademark solution is just a sentence " any trademark ending in .com.au will also apply from 1/july/20** to include .au "
problem solved, and then update it at next renewal ! when they changed from miles to klms the cars with miles speedo's didn't stop working did they ?
tim
eBranding.com.au
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For a standard filing it's currently $250 per class (if you do it yourself):
https://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trade-marks/understanding-trade-marks/trade-mark-costs
The cost obviously increases if you engage a lawyer or consultant.
Lemon
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You have no idea and are no longer in the game. .au is strong.
DomainNames
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Actually the reason's are long why I did not decide to run. Yes I feel confident I would have made it onto the Board this year in both Supply or Demand if I had strategised ( membership and vote stacked) to do it;
1. I believe auDA and auDA / Board may be setting themselves up for a Class Action Lawsuit.
Being on the auDA Board has a very high risk factor even if you vote against some decisions.
A few people have scoffed at this when I did the right thing and informed them of the current risks but this is a serious risk I have had professional advice on. I may not be eligible to be part of a class action lawsuit if I was on the auDA Board and I may in turn face myself as part of the parties named being on the auDA Board.
The auDA situation is very different to that of the uk and .nz in some ways even more "rigged" I would say etc.
2. The auDA name is completely tarnished by actions undertaken by some associated with it. Who would seriously want to be associated with the auDA Board in it's current state, the election process, ways memberships are limited, the information sought here https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/au_historical_financial_irregula
3. I will use my time and effort in review of the auDA Constitution.
4. I do agree Ned and Nicole are well placed to represent true Demand members and also most .au consumers ane existing .au registrants.
5. I was offered support and votes by various people. I was also told of other people who had the same offers put to them... .. so I know the power that be behind the scenes and people who seemingly have taken up offers..
6. I have joined www.Accan.org.au I will become far more active with them. I agree with what they wrote here .. nothing has changed. auDA/ various Boards have made no attempts to contact all existing .au registrants
https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/5...cern-over-proposed-domain-name-system-changes
7. The Commonwealth Government review of auDA will be only the first review. More investigations and reviews will go deeper and it will also be a bipartisan review further down the track due to the very close political parties involved over the years. A simply search of the suburb "MENTONE VICTORIA", members, auDA staff, Ministers, auDA Board Directors, Ex Board Dirtecors sheds light on easy links other political parties and media have an interest in now also.
8. I expect 2018/ 2019 will see more Australian Government Senate enquiries look into auDA ( and other people, past contractors, contracts, tendering processes, expenses, staff issues etc) now and in the past...
- https://www.communications.gov.au/documents/terms-reference-review-au-domain-administration
- More deeper multi party investigations WILL be needed due to the political connections in play.
This year we appear to see membership links of parties that may include people using many different staff, business names, family members to stack themselves into a possible Board seat... Seriously does anyone think this is in the best interests of .au domain name registrants.. Who are the whole focus of why auDA exists some people forget!
10. Why does auDA and the Board refuse to use the Canada Membership model FREE membership open to all registrants. Limit of 1 vote. Online forum for Q and A of candidates.
10. The apparent conflicts of interest at auDA / Board of some seem to be a very serious concern. This has brought the reputation of the organisation to it's lowest level ever.
11. The media will be investigation auDA far more. I have serious concerns to be lumped in the the auDA Board until things see dramatic improvement in many areas and probably until after the Governments investigations and reviews.
Now I know why several people, have jumped ship from the auDA Board... smart move to avoid going down with it completely.
12. I will be voting for Ned and Nicole. They are upfront where they stand and I think their intentions are the best thing for auDA, for all Members, For Government and for all .au registrants and internet users who know and trust the existing .au namespace. They are not after a fast buck from another competing .au extension like others are.. .They both have called out many untruths which have even gotten the proposed extra .au to this stage. As long as they BOTH stay vocal, informed and active they will have my support.
12. I believe the Government must set up a fail safe .au management model and backup Government run wholesale registry model asap.
I also think a full assessment should be done if the Department of Communications could and should perform this Australian Critical Infrastructure role.
At the moment THERE IS NO BACK UP PLAN for the .au administration or wholesale registry...We have a foreign owned "for profit" company running Australian Critical Infrastructure and a current tender process which could see more new "for profit" owners from overseas again.. this of course helps some people remain where they are making $$.
https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet
https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/
"8 WINDING UP
" On dissolution of the Company, the right to administer the .au ccTLD must either be transferred on to another entity nominated or approved by the Commonwealth of Australia or, in the absence of such approval, be transferred to the Commonwealth of Australia.
If upon the winding up or dissolution of auDA there remains, after the satisfaction of all its debts and liabilities, any property or money whatsoever, the remaining assets shall not be paid or distributed to the Members but shall be transferred to the subsequent entity approved by the Commonwealth of Australia to manage the .au ccTLD."
" On dissolution of the Company, the right to administer the .au ccTLD must either be transferred on to another entity nominated or approved by the Commonwealth of Australia or, in the absence of such approval, be transferred to the Commonwealth of Australia.
If upon the winding up or dissolution of auDA there remains, after the satisfaction of all its debts and liabilities, any property or money whatsoever, the remaining assets shall not be paid or distributed to the Members but shall be transferred to the subsequent entity approved by the Commonwealth of Australia to manage the .au ccTLD."
Data Glasses
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I prefer .com because of its stability
David Goldstein
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Look around. Many ccTLDs, particularly in developed countries, are seeing declining growth rates, and some total numbers. The introduction of 2LDs has nothing to do with it. Even plenty of legacy gTLDs are losing registrations. Just look at .net. I do love the cherry picking of examples.
snoopy
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Which other country codes have seen their main extension decline 6-7% like .co.uk has seen? Please list them David.
.net is declining because it is a 2nd rate tld that now competes with hundreds of other nearly as bad tlds for its market share. Completely different situation to .co.uk which is seen as a 1st choice extension by many businesses.
David Goldstein
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Ohhh. So the TLD you don't like to use as an example is second rate. As for stats, CENTR publishes them all. And maybe you should wonder why ccTLDs are diversifying and consolidating services. I imagine you haven't even noticed.
snoopy
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Post the data David, you made a big claim and I believe you have no hope of backing it up.
Which other country codes have seen their main extension decline 6-7% like .co.uk has seen?
David Goldstein
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What, I'm your research assistant now? So I'm supposed to waste my time providing evidence which you'd duly ignore. Because you'll ignore the evidence unless it suits your narrative.
snoopy
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David you made the claim, I can't prove your false claim.
I know you won't provide any evidence because their is no evidence to back up your claims.
Which other country codes have seen their main extension decline 6-7% like .co.uk has seen?
The answer is none! You have no data, and the only thing left for you to do is provide a distraction which you are now doing.
findtim
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i asked a girlfriend once " what have i done wrong" her reply was " if you don't know i'm not going to tell you"
needless to say that was the end of that relationship.
snoopy asked a very simple question, just post the link to the source of your claims. if you can state it you must have read it !
tim
David Goldstein
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You made the claim .net is second rate. Where's your evidence? You have none of course.
snoopy
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Let the record show that David Goldstein will never be willing to back up the argument he has made below with data. His only strategy now is distraction & tangents such as the above comment. The data he claims he has seen is non existent and he knows it.
Data Glasses
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Registration numbers, valuation, perceived value, adoption ....etc. However compared to the new crap being offered there is historic value .... but that is only it. (.au is considered "new crap") as well. I can't see how .net even gets a mention
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