auDA and auDA Foundation Fees questioned where are the decreases?

[Bacon Farmer]

Nah you get economies of scale and lower costs from those that do innovate and inject resources which is why the tender process works.

 

[snoopy]

I think the issue isn't the fact that the registry was making money, the issue was it was just getting renewed with no competition.

 

[JackBeNimble]

I think the issue isn't the fact that the registry was making money, the issue was it was just getting renewed with no competition.

And they should have tendered no doubt - but the biggest arguement seems to be wholesale costs need to be lowered.
That’s not always possible - even at volume. Our big banks could lower interest rates but have a business to protect - and the volume there is many times our 3mil+change domain names.

I WANT to see fair costs for all (not just one side of the coin) and I WANT transparency but being one-sided won’t help anything and will just have people getting their backs up.

 

[snoopy]

That’s not always possible - even at volume. Our big banks could lower interest rates but have a business to protect - and the volume there is many times our 3mil+change domain names.

"Financial terms of the deal are not being disclosed right now, but LaPlante said that .au registrars should see prices come down. This could lead to lower prices for registrants."

http://domainincite.com/22393-shocker-after-15-years-afilias-kicks-neustar-out-of-australia

Clearly the price the registry is charging is going to be lower. Now I suspect AUDA is playing games with their own pricing because the terms should be released straight away. Note the "crying poor" in the government review response.

I don't think it is like the big banks, because they compete with each other on a daily basis. The last time there was competition for the .au registry was 12 years ago.

 

[Bacon Farmer]

And they should have tendered no doubt - but the biggest arguement seems to be wholesale costs need to be lowered.
That’s not always possible - even at volume.

You don't seem to understand the concept of economies of scale.

 

[JackBeNimble]

You don't seem to understand the concept of economies of scale.

You don’t seem to understand ~$21 mil per year isn’t much when you consider salaries, maintenance, purchasing, research and development etc.. etc..
It’s not like the registry operator can half-ass the security or the operation of said registry.

I welcome the change - keen to see how the new operator handles things at a reduced cost.

 

[Bacon Farmer]

I understand the business got sold for $118.5 million. Businesses that aren't making money go for a lot less.

 

[DomainNames]

You keep quoting the same thing from 2009.
You’re literally whinging about $7 a year. Less than $0.02 per day.

While it would be great to have lower costs to register we also need to take into account what it costs IN AUSTRALIA to provide services.

The sad truth is; things in Australia cost more than their US/UK counter parts. And I don’t just mean the domain name in this case, I mean the power, rent (or rates), salaries etc.. etc..

In 8 years - the cost of running a business has risen, not lowered. So even if it had dropped, there would be no option but to increase again (and WOW would this forum blow up then!)

The new registry may be able to lower costs for now - but I’ll bet once they factor in business in Aus they’ll have no choice but to increase again at some point.

Hi, Thank you for your input.

Do you work for, receive any form of paments or have interests in a supply related entity and can you advise who?

 

[JackBeNimble]

Hi, Thank you for your input.

Do you work for, receive any form of paments or have interests in a supply related entity and can you advise who?

Not a single cent. I would BARELY fir the demand side let alone supply.

I just don’t have the same burning hate for auDA the vocal parts of this forum seem to have.

 

[snoopy]

You don’t seem to understand ~$21 mil per year isn’t much when you consider salaries, maintenance, purchasing, research and development etc.. etc..
It’s not like the registry operator can half-ass the security or the operation of said registry.

I welcome the change - keen to see how the new operator handles things at a reduced cost.

$21 million is actually a heck of a lot of money. It takes 20 people to run the registry, it can probably be done for a few million per year with all the local presence requirements. Look at how low some new tlds are priced, 99 cents, free, etc.

 

[JackBeNimble]

$21 million is actually a heck of a lot of money. It takes 20 people to run the registry, it can probably be done for a few million per year with all the local presence requirements. Look at how low some new tlds are priced, 99 cents, free, etc.

Some may be that low.
.au isn’t.

I would wager the costs of running the datacentres here is greatly different to hosting in the US or India etc..
Of those $0.99 are they loss-leaders? How is the registry hosting them sustained?
And of course - the security side of things - while .au does have its problems - it’s no where near as scammy as .com

Costs here are quite different to those around the world. $21,000,000 might seem a lot but factoring in all the extra costs (we are in Australia after all) WITH a profit margin - It’s suddenly not that much at all.

I bet they also weren’t paying a pittance to their staff or we’d see more holes than Swiss cheese...

 

[DomainNames]

Not a single cent. I would BARELY fir the demand side let alone supply.

I just don’t have the same burning hate for auDA the vocal parts of this forum seem to have.

So what is your role in the domain name industry exactly?

You appear to just another poster trying to deflect from the issues do not know what I and many others know when it comes to auDA's management of the .au namespace over the years.

What is your own personal experience and knowledge of the international domain name industry exactly and analysis of the domain name management in the regions?

Why do you think the Australian Commonwealth Government ( now various Commonwealth Departments at the highest levels) are doing investigations and reviews of auDA?. They do not waste their own time or resources unless there are very serious problems.

As much as some people have tried to cover things up things at auDA over the years and afre trying to deflect the attention on forums The Government will have that detail or get that detail on file.

As much as there is an effort by some people to mute people on this forum to hide things the Government and some media now read this forum daily. They are catching up quickly on the issues which for so long have been hidden.

 

[DomainNames]

Some may be that low.
.au isn’t.

I would wager the costs of running the datacentres here is greatly different to hosting in the US or India etc..
Of those $0.99 are they loss-leaders? How is the registry hosting them sustained?
And of course - the security side of things - while .au does have its problems - it’s no where near as scammy as .com

Costs here are quite different to those around the world. $21,000,000 might seem a lot but factoring in all the extra costs (we are in Australia after all) WITH a profit margin - It’s suddenly not that much at all.

I bet they also weren’t paying a pittance to their staff or we’d see more holes than Swiss cheese...

Do you have any relationship at all with any party providing .au services? So we can understand your position on .au wholesale pricing and why you want to keep it high please disclose it.

Do you have the P and L of the .au wholesale registry provider for the last 16 years you can post or the presentations and financials done why Neustar bought Bombora for $118 million?
https://www.crn.com.au/news/118m-payday-for-melbourne-domain-name-firm-407350

http://www.afr.com/technology/neust...technologies-for-1185-million-20150730-gio26f

" The acquisition means a handsome payday for the co-founders"
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...2-9-billion-deal-including-debt-idUSKBN1431J8 "Neustar to go private in $2.9 billion deal including debt"

 

[JackBeNimble]

Do you have any relationship at all with any party providing .au services? So we can understand your position on .au wholesale pricing and why you want to keep it high please disclose it.

I have no affiliation with anyone that profits from anything .au

Re: pricing - I’m not opposed to lowering it. I’ve said that several times already. I am however realistic in that it takes money to run the infrastructure and regulations for the name space.
Yes they’re higher than other places but until there’s concrete evidence the dollars are too high I remain impartial.
It costs money to run, manage and regulate anything - and businesses are also entitled to profit from their work.

If the new mob can run it at a lower cost, great. If not - prices will go up again anyway.

 

[DomainNames]

Afilias .au wholesale registry winning tender price is approx 60% lower than the current wholesale registry price...

What are peoples comments now it could not be done?

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https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/cartels
Email: cartelimmunity@accc.gov.au

https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/...15/8-october-2015-auda-board-meeting-minutes/

"AusRegistry

• G Pongas gave a summary of the Registrar Executive day held on Monday 5 October. There were approximately 30 attendees including AusRegistry and auDA staff with the focus being on marketing and growth of the name space. Outcomes included agreement that a Marketing Sub-committee consisting of Registrars/AusRegistry will be formed to promote the namespace and marketing.
• S Johnson raised a question regarding competition law and the possible perception of a cartel, in relation to the AusRegistry Registrars Executive day and other meetings of registrars. The Board noted that Registrar meetings are common across the industry, price is not discussed and there are no issues with auDA or AusRegistry running these events. "

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https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/

3.2 Activities
Without reducing the effect of clause 4, auDA will see to achieve its principal purposes as set out in clause 3.1 through:
a. ensuring the continued operational stability of the domain name system in Australia;
b. establishing mechanisms to ensure it is responsive and accountable to the supply and demand sides of the Australian Internet Community;
c. the promotion of competition in the provision of domain name services;
d. the promotion of fair trading;
e. the promotion of consumer protection;
f. adopting open and transparent procedures which are inclusive of all parties having an interest in use of the domain name system in Australia;
g. ensuring its operations produce timely outputs which are relevant to the needs of the Australian Internet Community.
(Amended by Special Resolution, 14 August 2006)