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findtim
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THISSSSSSSSSSSS is the main point, you have to do it nowwww because your application needs to go to the next board meeting, if someone could clearly quote the dates that would be great.
tim
Scott.L
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I see the suggestions of "acceptance" and "implementation" and Yeah no point ‘crying’ about it, no point in having a say in minority forums, hey thanks for the reality check “if you can’t beat them Join em” that’s the mentality of the herd morality, whipped as it crawls on its belly for crumbs.
Yeah your right…This is not about domainers or domain investors complaining about the cost, who cares what will happen to those invested in domain names, they’re just a bunch of people who horde .com.au domain names and then flip them to legitimate businesses for ridiculous amounts, so who cares if this ‘minority’ is angry because the auDA took away their inflated resell revenue streams, or financially pressured them into defensive registrations. After all, there is no legal rights of ownership implied by the licences held. Yet, thousands of domain names are registered each year in the pursuit of a financial win fall driven by speculation and yet, the auDA benefits by such marketplace myths even if it opposes the practice.
I reckon, Portfolio holders will consolidate their domain names and drop perceived worthless domain names this will be according to their own financial positions as they will now register defensively against competition – this will allow drop auctions to prosper and bigger portfolio holders to pick up the expiring domains of value thus, consolidating the name space into bigger players, who in turn hold the bulk of the premium domain space, the crumbs will remain but only in duplicate form;
You know, we are not a minority we are the majority, manipulated by a minority...each domain owner holds a share in the Australian Domain Space and as a shareholder I should be informed and I should have a Vote. it looks like auDA have decided without informing all its shareholders about changes to the domain name space and that is unconscionable;
what do we do about it? Lobby against it or, do nothing and wait to be fleeced.
Yeah your right…This is not about domainers or domain investors complaining about the cost, who cares what will happen to those invested in domain names, they’re just a bunch of people who horde .com.au domain names and then flip them to legitimate businesses for ridiculous amounts, so who cares if this ‘minority’ is angry because the auDA took away their inflated resell revenue streams, or financially pressured them into defensive registrations. After all, there is no legal rights of ownership implied by the licences held. Yet, thousands of domain names are registered each year in the pursuit of a financial win fall driven by speculation and yet, the auDA benefits by such marketplace myths even if it opposes the practice.
I reckon, Portfolio holders will consolidate their domain names and drop perceived worthless domain names this will be according to their own financial positions as they will now register defensively against competition – this will allow drop auctions to prosper and bigger portfolio holders to pick up the expiring domains of value thus, consolidating the name space into bigger players, who in turn hold the bulk of the premium domain space, the crumbs will remain but only in duplicate form;
You know, we are not a minority we are the majority, manipulated by a minority...each domain owner holds a share in the Australian Domain Space and as a shareholder I should be informed and I should have a Vote. it looks like auDA have decided without informing all its shareholders about changes to the domain name space and that is unconscionable;
what do we do about it? Lobby against it or, do nothing and wait to be fleeced.
neddy
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Scott, I admire and salute your passion.
I was a member of the Names Panel, and I was one of 5 people that did not agree with the majority. Four of us put our name to a Minority Report - the fifth pre-empted things by having the organisation she represented preemptively publish their own negative opinion.
By being part of the minority, I lost some friendships - and strained others. But I had the courage of my convictions to do so. I don't say that to be a hero - I'm not.
Let me tell you that our Minority Report was resisted by many on the Names Panel - in fact two current auDA Directors recommended that it not be attached to the final report! Seriously. Not to mention at least 5 other members of the Names Panel. Fortunately, the Chairman realised that he would be on a hiding to nothing if he surpressed it.
There are certain people in positions of power and influence who will whisper sweet nothings in your ear - but ultimately they want direct registrations to proceed. If you are in any doubt, ask each individual Director which way they ultimately voted. I'd love to hear the replies - and their justifications.
The saving grace of all this is that these same people have their own vested interests to look after. Ultimately this will ensure that existing registrants will be recognised in some shape of form. Imho.
I'm in my 60th year Scott - and I reckon I know which battles are worth fighting. Direct registrations are going to happen - that's why I wrote this article.
The battle we need to gird our loins for is implementation. And it is a battle I am convinced we will win. The best bet is on that horse called self-interest.
I'm up for the fight - and I will be enjoining some powerful allies (businesses with some oomph). If you (and others) feel like joining with me, I would welcome that. There is strength in numbers.
findtim
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its a difficult line you and erhan tread, you gotta be in it to influence but then they muzzle you until the train has left.
it takes strong personalities to step forward from that so thankyou, hopefully it will show others to think how they can be involved.
I mentioned this years ago, i was playing golf one wednesday and joined a group of 3 to make up the 4th, one of the guys and i talked all match until the 17th hole when i found out he was a partner in realestate.com.au ! , such a big player in early domain name space but just a bloke on a golf course.
tim
it takes strong personalities to step forward from that so thankyou, hopefully it will show others to think how they can be involved.
thats what we all need to do, get the word out, you just never know who you are talking to and WHO they know, so many things happen because a persons husband still happens to play golf with an old school friend and that friend is very concerned once they find out.
I mentioned this years ago, i was playing golf one wednesday and joined a group of 3 to make up the 4th, one of the guys and i talked all match until the 17th hole when i found out he was a partner in realestate.com.au ! , such a big player in early domain name space but just a bloke on a golf course.
tim
Andrew Wright
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I'm in. How can I help?
neddy
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Thanks Andrew. I'll be in touch soon.
I've had a number of emails and calls from other people as well. That is gratifying.
chris
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Those that have invested in AU domains (myself included) have a lot at stake. It's not that anyone is giving up - it's just that we need to look at the big picture and make sure we do whatever we can to protect the namespace. If implementation is handled poorly, it has the potential to hurt the local industry as a whole.
Cooper Mills DomainLawyer
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As some people have said, lets avoid hysteria, direct registrations are coming, that decision has been made.
Everyone needs to put their heads together to develop an implementation model, and reasons to support that model. If a good model with solid reasoning is developed then it can be submitted to any Implementation Committee/Panel.
Everyone needs to put their heads together to develop an implementation model, and reasons to support that model. If a good model with solid reasoning is developed then it can be submitted to any Implementation Committee/Panel.
Bacon Farmer
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How about we all just calm down and wait for the official one question auDA survey.
Here's a sneak peek:
"If you had the opportunity of registering a .au domain with no hierarchy of rights or recognition of prior rights would you?"
There done and dusted
Here's a sneak peek:
"If you had the opportunity of registering a .au domain with no hierarchy of rights or recognition of prior rights would you?"
There done and dusted
ttfan
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Whilst I agree, I think we should not forget that this decision was made without proper (IMO) consultation and with some serious conflicts of interest by some of the voting members. How can we be sure the same lack of consultation and conflicts of interest won't happen for the implementation?
findtim
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ttfan, we can't, so we need to have all our "fact" boxes ticked and ask the right questions.
there's a million unanswered questions and although preparing for the next battle is true, forgeting the past is hogwash, i don't intend to let them just say " oh well this is what occured so tough it out" and by the way " we are going to stick you in the ribs next time around as well"
audas method of business is nothing less then rude and showing no respect for anyone other thn their own preforcast agenda which they have set in motion.
we can not go thru this next stage not knowing anything until its already completed, it needs to be open to everyone and the only way to do that is through a united direction not just 1 person doing one-offs.
surely there is a "road map" that auda has planned, where is that? how do we publish it here?
tim
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there's a million unanswered questions and although preparing for the next battle is true, forgeting the past is hogwash, i don't intend to let them just say " oh well this is what occured so tough it out" and by the way " we are going to stick you in the ribs next time around as well"
audas method of business is nothing less then rude and showing no respect for anyone other thn their own preforcast agenda which they have set in motion.
we can not go thru this next stage not knowing anything until its already completed, it needs to be open to everyone and the only way to do that is through a united direction not just 1 person doing one-offs.
surely there is a "road map" that auda has planned, where is that? how do we publish it here?
tim
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Cooper Mills DomainLawyer
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I disagree, the Names Policy Panel had a cross section of stakeholders, domainers, business, ACANN, the Government, Registrars, electronic frontiers, Internet Australia, academics, lawyers and more. The Panel had extensive public consultation.
If you are referring to the short survey from auDA, the survey was NOT designed to gauge whether people wanted direct registration (in fact it took place after the Panel had presented its final report to the Board - having already supported direct registrations), it was to determine demand when/if introduced.
I don't see any conflict of interest, a panel made up of all major stakeholders (including people from DnTrade) came to make a decision. The decision has been a long time coming, this issue has been on the agenda for the past 10 years with multiple Names Policy Panels, it got rejected by all previous panels except this one, which finally agreed to support it.
As I have said before, I will be impacted more than many people on DNTrade....
Cooper Mills DomainLawyer
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How I don't understand ? The Names Policy Panel had extensive public consultation. If you are referring to the short survey from auDA, the survey was NOT designed to gauge whether people wanted direct registration (in fact it took place after the Panel had presented its final report to the Board - having already supported direct registrations), it was to determine demand when/if introduced.
we can not go thru this next stage not knowing anything until its already completed said:
findtim
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i am thinking about implementation, most of my conversations are on that topic but what i think ttfan and i are saying is "that survey" should never have been sent as it was regardless of the pretend explanation of its purpose, we all know the decision was made anyway and auda were just ticking a box pretend to have truly considered all aspects of the market place.
So now is it just all going to happen again? is what i am wondering, BS public consultation after BS public consultation all worthless and contrived to provide the answers needed.
I don't think anyone here doubts i have a right to have these concerns based on auda's past performance.
tim
So now is it just all going to happen again? is what i am wondering, BS public consultation after BS public consultation all worthless and contrived to provide the answers needed.
I don't think anyone here doubts i have a right to have these concerns based on auda's past performance.
tim
snoopy
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You can be sure that there will be a lack of consultation and obvious conflicts of interest. Most likely AUDA will appoint Ausregistry to run the thing and it will be happy ever after. Lots of money to be made by those on the supply side.
Best move people can make is take money off the table. Invest less - that is what you have control of.
neddy
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Erhan, I totally disagree with you on this. As you know, I have banged on about this ad infinitum.
You would surely have to agree that in reality there was no more than the illusion of public consultation (given that there are approximately 1,700,000 individual registrants in Australia).
Given your love of politics and tactics, the game changer in this process (imho) was the massive pressure that the Supply side exerted - particularly the mass mail out done by the Melbourne IT group of registrars 5 days before the survey results closed.
I wrote about this on Domainer today.
Anyway, that ship has sailed has now; and the destination is "implementation". I will be focusing all my attention on that from hereon in.
Scott.L
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I made some signs over the weekend for a picket line and rally LOL...we came up with a couple of slogans....
We reject a new extension
Don't bully us into your mistakes
.UK and .NZ failed
Short term bucks long term loss
Greedy decision
The supply side wants to perception manage this to completion and call it a success. LOL
What's the math on consultation...5000 people decided it was good from 1.7 million registrants...?
We reject a new extension
Don't bully us into your mistakes
.UK and .NZ failed
Short term bucks long term loss
Greedy decision
The supply side wants to perception manage this to completion and call it a success. LOL
What's the math on consultation...5000 people decided it was good from 1.7 million registrants...?
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