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neddy

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I'm afraid I have to admit partial failure in my mission to get someone from auDA to interact with us on this forum in regards
to any queries on policy. :(

In particular, the vexed question of "Domain Monetisation" - which many domain owners new and old are still confused by.

I have made several email requests, and had a couple of phone conversations with them about the benefits to all concerned.
After all, part of their role is education and explaining policy interpretations.

This was my first email to Jo Lim - Chief Operations and Policy Officer:

Hi Jo,

Nice to talk to you again today.

As discussed, could you please come back to me with regards auDA contributing
to an “Ask auDA” sub-forum on DN Trade. I just think this would be so productive
an exercise for all concerned.

One of auDA’s roles is education – and there a lot of domainer’s (including myself)
who need education on some matters. 95% of us want to try and do the right thing,
but if we are ever in doubt what is correct policy, who do we ask?

No one is trying to hang auDA out to dry – we just want to be able to ask a reasonable
question, and get a reasonable answer.

I totally understand that in this day and age that if you did give answers to general
questions you would have to give disclaimers; e.g. that circumstances may vary on
each particular case etc. But that is really easy to spell out.

From our part, we would state that any post made in the “Ask auDA” column would
have to be general in nature (and that no specific domain names are to be mentioned).

We need a conduit Jo – whether it be that you blog yourself on auDA’s site and allow
comments and questions – or whether we have a controlled and moderated thread on
DN Trade. Lawyer’s can ask The Law Society for advice, accountant’s also have a body –
you get the picture.

I’m sure it could work! :) Can we at least give it a try please?

Kind regards, Ned
DN Trade


Today I was informed by email that they decline to do so. They outlined a number of reasons - most of which I believe were a
"cop out". I told them this on the phone today during a frank but friendly phone conversation.

Their attitude is that:

auDA has an obligation to provide information to all registrants and members of the public, and anyone is able to contact us to ask a question by phone, fax, email or mail. It is not clear to us why domainers can’t use these existing avenues for asking questions.
My answer to that was that when we do phone it is hard to get a definitive answer. Not many things are black or white -
grey seems to be the preferred colour.


They also gave other reasons, but out of courtesy, I do not publish those.

Moving forward .................

  • Jo Lim has committed to writing an article on auDA's blog about "domain monetisation" within the next 4 weeks. Hopefully they
    will open their comments section to allow questions!
  • If any domain owner has a question on policy, they should email it to: info@auda.org.au. (Don't phone - get it in writing!).
    They are standing by for your email. ;)
  • Please also post any questions on this forum so we can also formally channel these through to auDA.

We will get there in the end. This is even more reason for non-members of auDA to become members of auDA.
 
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sp@rky13

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This is the exact kind of response I got from auDA when I emailed them. I was happy with the fact they responded so quickly but after I read the response I saw that they had glazed over the issue without giving me a definitive answer. And I wonder why there's so much confusion... Good effort in contacting them Ned. Hopefully, through your multiple conversations you will get some answers and through membership etc will be able to have your opinion heard
 

FirstPageResults

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Sounds like you have leaned on them a considerable amount they are not willing to move an inch.

I'm sure most here appreciate your efforts to try and get some clarification and open dialogue going, especially on grey areas such as the monetization policy.

You seem to have a knack for twisting people's arms Neddy, so hopefully they come around in time.

Will be disappointed if they fail to deliver on the blog post.
 

DomainNames

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Sounds like you have leaned on them a considerable amount they are not willing to move an inch.

I'm sure most here appreciate your efforts to try and get some clarification and open dialogue going, especially on grey areas such as the monetization policy.

You seem to have a knack for twisting people's arms Neddy, so hopefully they come around in time.

Will be disappointed if they fail to deliver on the blog post.

Very doubtful they will do any more. The ONLY way to get results and have your say and get good decent help from them is to join as an AUDA Member. Then they will listen to you. With 2 million domains sold they probably dont think 500 members on this forum are enough sadly but thats reality.

If you look at the auda members list most domain Industry leaders are members. Obviously its smart to be a member and have a say and be heard and listened to and not just one of the other million domain registrants in australia

http://www.auda.org.au/membership/members-list/

ALL INTERESTED SHOULD JOIN AUDA AS A MEMBER TODAY IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT DOMAIN NAMES http://www.auda.org.au/document.php?documentid=1250
 
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sp@rky13

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Just having a quick look at the member's list there are about 150 names which even if say 20-50 people joined up from here, that's a big influence to be able to have.

I would join but would presumably be unable to as I'm under 18
 

DomainNames

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Just having a quick look at the member's list there are about 150 names which even if say 20-50 people joined up from here, that's a big influence to be able to have.

I would join but would presumably be unable to as I'm under 18

They dont ask for any age on the forms ;)

If your not approved they would refund your money.

Maybe just apply, pay and see how it goes. If you own a domain name you have a right to join
 
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neddy

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They dont ask for any age on the forms ;)

If your not approved they would refund your money.

Maybe just apply, pay and see how it goes. If you own a domain name you have a right to join

Well, I don't own any .au domains at this stage anyway :) I may hopefully soon though

Well, the good news is that anone can apply to be a "demand class" member of auDA.

You do not have to own a domain!

I just rang the nice people at auDA, and they confirmed this.

So apply away young fella!
 

neddy

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Apology and clarification

I'm afraid I have to admit partial failure in my mission to get someone from auDA to interact with us on this forum in regards
to any queries on policy. :(

In particular, the vexed question of "Domain Monetisation" - which many domain owners new and old are still confused by.

I have made several email requests, and had a couple of phone conversations with them about the benefits to all concerned.
After all, part of their role is education and explaining policy interpretations.

Today I was informed by email that they decline to do so. They outlined a number of reasons - most of which I believe were a
"cop out". I told them this on the phone today during a frank but friendly phone conversation.

Their attitude is that:

auDA has an obligation to provide information to all registrants and members of the public, and anyone is able to contact us to ask a question by phone, fax, email or mail. It is not clear to us why domainers can’t use these existing avenues for asking questions.

My answer to that was that when we do phone it is hard to get a definitive answer. Not many things are black or white -
grey seems to be the preferred colour.


Moving forward .................

  • Jo Lim has committed to writing an article on auDA's blog about "domain monetisation" within the next 4 weeks. Hopefully they
    will open their comments section to allow questions!
  • If any domain owner has a question on policy, they should email it to: info@auda.org.au. (Don't phone - get it in writing!).
    They are standing by for your email. ;)
  • Please also post any questions on this forum so we can also formally channel these through to auDA.

We will get there in the end. This is even more reason for non-members of auDA to become members of auDA.


In my original post above, I said that I believed auDA had "copped out" by not agreeing to participate in an "Ask auDA" forum here on DN Trade.

Whilst I am extremely disappointed that auDA didn't want to participate here on DNT, I do now understand the reasons why it may be difficult for
them to do so e.g. being seen to favour or endorse DN Trade etc.

So I publicly apologise to Jo Lim from auDA for the "cop out" remark. It certainly wasn't personal. I have always got on well with her, as I have with
Vanessa and the other staff.

Having said that, I do not resile from my pleas for auDA to engage with the domaining community. We genuinely want to work with you to
better understand policy and thus do the right thing - and not live in fear of losing domains because of "interpretation of policy".

The auDA blog is a great place to do this, and as a start, I look forward to Jo's article about "Domain Monetisation". Hopefully, this will clear up a lot
of the grey areas for us. :) It would also be wonderful if they open up the "comments" section for any questions.

Cheers, Ned
 

Chris.C

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Maybe they could post on DNTrade under an alias.

They could just claim to be a very informed domainer that is offer "opinion".
 

DomainNames

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This is why we need more members from here to join and vote for our forum members as Board members next time.

Looks like the current board members are of not much help
 

Simon Johnson

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...I believed auDA had "copped out" by not agreeing to participate in an "Ask auDA" forum here on DN Trade.

Like any company, auDA isn't a charity and has a finite amount of resources. I'm sure auDA is on the receiving end for many "requests for comment".

In terms of engagement, perhaps having an official rep for forums etc.. can be something included next years budget? :)
 

neddy

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  • Jo Lim has committed to writing an article on auDA's blog about "domain monetisation" within the next 4 weeks.

We genuinely want to work with you to
better understand policy and thus do the right thing - and not live in fear of losing domains because of "interpretation of policy".

The auDA blog is a great place to do this, and as a start, I look forward to Jo's article about "Domain Monetisation". Hopefully, this will clear up a lot
of the grey areas for us. :) It would also be wonderful if they open up the "comments" section for any questions.

Thank you to Jo Lim from auDA for doing her article on Domain Monetisation - as promised.

It is posted here: http://blog.auda.org.au/
 

DomainNames

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Good work from Jo Lim. NIce to see AUDA learning from whats happening around the world and adjusting policy accordingly.
 

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